Episode Five of This must be the podcast is a conversation I recently had with Frank Schaeffer, a New York Times Best Selling Author whose most recent book is Why I am an Atheist Who Believes in GOD.


We talked about his upbring and how he became an influential figure in the Religious Right, why he left, and what he now believes about life, religion, and politics; including the rise of Donald Trump. I found Frank’s perspective very interesting and thought provoking. He is the kind of figure that many people will quickly find reasons to dismiss, because they don’t want to think about what he has to say, but he has too much experience and knowledge to be ignored.

I hope you enjoy our talk and share it with everyone you know. You may also want to check out Frank’s memoir: Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All and visit his website.